Morgan Jerkins, author of This Will Be My Undoing, talks with co-hosts Eric Newman and Medaya Ocher about tackling the personal as political as a black woman author in these troubled times, nuancing what each of those terms mean. Morgan also talks about the struggle that all writers face — the voices inside our heads telling us that we can’t or shouldn’t — and how she found the balance between acknowledging vulnerability while embracing bravery. Also, Ijeoma Oluo returns to recommend Daniel Jose Older’s young adult Shadowshaper series.